cissus+acido arachidonico

Bellero · 19-01-2008, 02:59 PM

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Originariamente inviato da iolo79

Come effetti negativi cosa può dare?????
solo a livello cardiovascolare o altro??? ormonale????

praticamente è scritto tutto pochi post più su

mone@85ù+è · 26-01-2008, 02:45 PM

sides negativi acido arachidonico
da:http://blog.bodybuilding.com/bjrboss...-is-dangerous

So if you have read my previous blog, you know that I have been having an extremely hard time with a case of ulcerative colitis. This last week I have finnally been feeling better, been able to keep food in me for a reasonable time, and things are slowly getting back to normal, I hope things will get back to what is normal any way. All the doctors and specialists agree that my case was extremely difficult to treat. Overall i was in the hospital for 8 days, in the ER twice, and a lot of tests and procedures and drugs to treat it. None of the typical drugs used to treat it didnt work on me, and some i had a rare, very bad reaction to, which didnt help matters either. Overall I lost 25lbs, and am pretty depressed when I look in the mirror. That was 2.5 years of ass breaking i lost in a matter of 5 short weeks. I will post a pic of me now just to show what a horrible effect this disease had on me, and maybe to motivate me to come back better than ever, but i know its going to take a while.. But the real reason I am posting this is to inform all of you that there is a dangerous supplement out there that i have just resently learned that caused this ilness. Its called X-Factor, or arachidonic acid. I was taking this sup 3 weeks prior to when this al started, and frankly it worked great! i actually gained 4lbs in the 4 week i took it. It was one of the only sups i ever took that did what it claimed. I stopped taking it when i got sick, cause i couldnt work out any way. I didnt think anything of it till the other day when I received info from a cousin who is kinda a wholistic doctor, and one of the articles he sent me on colitis specifically said to limit your daily intake of AA to less than 60mg. to keep the colitis in remission. What?? i then realized the connection, i was taking 1000mg. a day, just as the directions said to. You see, just as the company says, AA works by increasing prostaglandins, (they are hormones or chemicals that cause inflamation). This is a natural occurance with the healing process. The problem is when you increase the prostaglandins as much as AA does, some peoples immune system goes haywire, and starts to attack parts of the body (like my colon) thinkin it is a virus or germ. Im not a internist dr. or anything, but i know that increasing prostaglandin production is a bad thing in more ways than it is good. I am on corticosteroids for about 8 weeks to try to suppress the colitis. Corticosteroids work by suppressing the immune system, and therefor reducing the prostaglandin production. This is a common treatment for any autoimmune dissorder,(a dissorder where there are too many prostaglandins causing unnessary inflamation) such as arthritis, chrones, and colitis. Take it from me, dont ever try any supplement with arachidonic acid, it may cause a autoimmune dissorder, like it did to me. I dont know if there is anybody else out there that had a reaction to this stuff, but it ruined 7 weeks of my life, 2.5 years of weight training, tens of thousands of dollars in medical bills, and now possibly a compromised life, cause I may very well have subsequent attaks, and am at a higher risk of colon cancer. There may be foods i may not be able to eat also, its all going to take time to heal, and sort things out. It is in my mind, any supp with AA should be taken off the shelf, it nearly ruined my life. atleast there needs to be more warnings about possible side effects

Anabolic · 26-01-2008, 03:30 PM

ma se ho capito questa persona aveva un virus e l' AA ha portato problemi al sistema immunitario ecc...
alla fine ha avuto la colite!!!!!!!!
Credo sia un sides rarissimo

iolo79 · 29-01-2008, 06:57 PM

allora io l'ho usato quasi 2 sett.... ho smesso xchè ho riscontato problemini di libido e energia in generale.... cioè ero sempre mezzo morto

mone@85ù+è · 29-01-2008, 07:28 PM

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Originariamente inviato da iolo79

allora io l'ho usato quasi 2 sett.... ho smesso xchè ho riscontato problemini di libido e energia in generale.... cioè ero sempre mezzo morto

spigati meglio siamo tutti interessati penso.potresti descrivere meglio le sensazioni dai primi agli ultimi giorni....dai dai

Bellero · 29-01-2008, 07:41 PM

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Originariamente inviato da iolo79

allora io l'ho usato quasi 2 sett.... ho smesso xchè ho riscontato problemini di libido e energia in generale.... cioè ero sempre mezzo morto

che significa mezzo morto?..perchè l'AA "amplifica" i dolori infiammatori dovuti al w.o...quindi se ti sentivi "a pezzi" per questo è normale....

greatescape · 29-01-2008, 07:52 PM

io lo usero per 6 settimane allora che dovro aspettarmi

dei dolori non m'importa resiosto ma quell'altra cosa no
ma e' la prima volta che lo sento sinceramente

Bellero · 29-01-2008, 07:58 PM

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Originariamente inviato da greatescape

io lo usero per 6 settimane allora che dovro aspettarmi

dei dolori non m'importa resiosto ma quell'altra cosa no
ma e' la prima volta che lo sento sinceramente

ovviamente sono sides soggettivi...
cmq sulla libido anche io non ne ho mai sentito..anzi mi sembra un controsenso

....attendiamo magari anto o chi ne sa di più

Anabolic · 29-01-2008, 08:14 PM

Allora per la loibido mi sembra strano non dovrebbe cambiare molto il profilo ormonale, al massimo aumenta la conversione di testo in dht e un pochino in estrogeni.
Ma il dht non diminuisce la libido, e gli estro anche sono importanti per la libido.
Per il dolore credo sia normalissimo
Saluti Alberto

iolo79 · 29-01-2008, 08:45 PM

boh io ho avuto 3 giorni di assenza di alza bandiera.....
ho mollato e in altr 3 è ritornato tutto apposto.
Dato che nn mi era mai successo ho dato la colpa a lui

greatescape · 29-01-2008, 11:03 PM

ci puoi dire i protocolli di utilizzo cosa prendevi tutto ???
giusto per capire
cmq non credo sia da quello boh vediamo a me cosa mi fa .. anche se poi io non prenderei solo aa

iolo79 · 30-01-2008, 09:02 PM

niente di che.... proteine creatina nitrix e AA un grammo al giorno
ah anche l'adam come multi vitaminico

iolo79 · 31-01-2008, 06:50 PM

nessuno sa dare una spiegazione???????????????

greatescape · 31-01-2008, 06:55 PM

i doms lo sai che aumentavano per la libido che ti devo dire .. molti si prendevano stimolatori di testo per aumentare l'anabolismo ma non doveva toccarti li ... strano
tra un po lo provero anche io e ti sapor dire su di me

Anabolic · 31-01-2008, 08:55 PM

io assumo molto AA con l' alimentazione ma non sento problemi di libido, ma hai continuato a prenderlo e ti è risucesso??

Vi farò sapere quando lo provero io

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mone@85ù+è One of Us Messaggi: 92 Data registrazione: Sep 2007 Località: catania Età: 17	26-01-2008, 02:45 PM sides negativi acido arachidonico da:http://blog.bodybuilding.com/bjrboss...-is-dangerous So if you have read my previous blog, you know that I have been having an extremely hard time with a case of ulcerative colitis. This last week I have finnally been feeling better, been able to keep food in me for a reasonable time, and things are slowly getting back to normal, I hope things will get back to what is normal any way. All the doctors and specialists agree that my case was extremely difficult to treat. Overall i was in the hospital for 8 days, in the ER twice, and a lot of tests and procedures and drugs to treat it. None of the typical drugs used to treat it didnt work on me, and some i had a rare, very bad reaction to, which didnt help matters either. Overall I lost 25lbs, and am pretty depressed when I look in the mirror. That was 2.5 years of ass breaking i lost in a matter of 5 short weeks. I will post a pic of me now just to show what a horrible effect this disease had on me, and maybe to motivate me to come back better than ever, but i know its going to take a while.. But the real reason I am posting this is to inform all of you that there is a dangerous supplement out there that i have just resently learned that caused this ilness. Its called X-Factor, or arachidonic acid. I was taking this sup 3 weeks prior to when this al started, and frankly it worked great! i actually gained 4lbs in the 4 week i took it. It was one of the only sups i ever took that did what it claimed. I stopped taking it when i got sick, cause i couldnt work out any way. I didnt think anything of it till the other day when I received info from a cousin who is kinda a wholistic doctor, and one of the articles he sent me on colitis specifically said to limit your daily intake of AA to less than 60mg. to keep the colitis in remission. What?? i then realized the connection, i was taking 1000mg. a day, just as the directions said to. You see, just as the company says, AA works by increasing prostaglandins, (they are hormones or chemicals that cause inflamation). This is a natural occurance with the healing process. The problem is when you increase the prostaglandins as much as AA does, some peoples immune system goes haywire, and starts to attack parts of the body (like my colon) thinkin it is a virus or germ. Im not a internist dr. or anything, but i know that increasing prostaglandin production is a bad thing in more ways than it is good. I am on corticosteroids for about 8 weeks to try to suppress the colitis. Corticosteroids work by suppressing the immune system, and therefor reducing the prostaglandin production. This is a common treatment for any autoimmune dissorder,(a dissorder where there are too many prostaglandins causing unnessary inflamation) such as arthritis, chrones, and colitis. Take it from me, dont ever try any supplement with arachidonic acid, it may cause a autoimmune dissorder, like it did to me. I dont know if there is anybody else out there that had a reaction to this stuff, but it ruined 7 weeks of my life, 2.5 years of weight training, tens of thousands of dollars in medical bills, and now possibly a compromised life, cause I may very well have subsequent attaks, and am at a higher risk of colon cancer. There may be foods i may not be able to eat also, its all going to take time to heal, and sort things out. It is in my mind, any supp with AA should be taken off the shelf, it nearly ruined my life. atleast there needs to be more warnings about possible side effects

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Anabolic RealUncensoredMofo Messaggi: 408 Data registrazione: Oct 2007 Località: napoli	26-01-2008, 03:30 PM ma se ho capito questa persona aveva un virus e l' AA ha portato problemi al sistema immunitario ecc... alla fine ha avuto la colite!!!!!!!! Credo sia un sides rarissimo

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iolo79 One of Us Messaggi: 52 Data registrazione: Jun 2007	29-01-2008, 06:57 PM allora io l'ho usato quasi 2 sett.... ho smesso xchè ho riscontato problemini di libido e energia in generale.... cioè ero sempre mezzo morto

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greatescape All the Truth Member Messaggi: 20,462 Data registrazione: Jun 2007	29-01-2008, 07:52 PM io lo usero per 6 settimane allora che dovro aspettarmi dei dolori non m'importa resiosto ma quell'altra cosa no ma e' la prima volta che lo sento sinceramente

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Anabolic RealUncensoredMofo Messaggi: 408 Data registrazione: Oct 2007 Località: napoli	29-01-2008, 08:14 PM Allora per la loibido mi sembra strano non dovrebbe cambiare molto il profilo ormonale, al massimo aumenta la conversione di testo in dht e un pochino in estrogeni. Ma il dht non diminuisce la libido, e gli estro anche sono importanti per la libido. Per il dolore credo sia normalissimo Saluti Alberto

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iolo79 One of Us Messaggi: 52 Data registrazione: Jun 2007	29-01-2008, 08:45 PM boh io ho avuto 3 giorni di assenza di alza bandiera..... ho mollato e in altr 3 è ritornato tutto apposto. Dato che nn mi era mai successo ho dato la colpa a lui

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greatescape All the Truth Member Messaggi: 20,462 Data registrazione: Jun 2007	29-01-2008, 11:03 PM ci puoi dire i protocolli di utilizzo cosa prendevi tutto ??? giusto per capire cmq non credo sia da quello boh vediamo a me cosa mi fa .. anche se poi io non prenderei solo aa

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iolo79 One of Us Messaggi: 52 Data registrazione: Jun 2007	30-01-2008, 09:02 PM niente di che.... proteine creatina nitrix e AA un grammo al giorno ah anche l'adam come multi vitaminico

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iolo79 One of Us Messaggi: 52 Data registrazione: Jun 2007	31-01-2008, 06:50 PM nessuno sa dare una spiegazione???????????????

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greatescape All the Truth Member Messaggi: 20,462 Data registrazione: Jun 2007	31-01-2008, 06:55 PM i doms lo sai che aumentavano per la libido che ti devo dire .. molti si prendevano stimolatori di testo per aumentare l'anabolismo ma non doveva toccarti li ... strano tra un po lo provero anche io e ti sapor dire su di me

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Anabolic RealUncensoredMofo Messaggi: 408 Data registrazione: Oct 2007 Località: napoli	31-01-2008, 08:55 PM io assumo molto AA con l' alimentazione ma non sento problemi di libido, ma hai continuato a prenderlo e ti è risucesso?? Vi farò sapere quando lo provero io