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RealUncensoredMofo
Messaggi: 408
Data registrazione: Oct 2007
Località: napoli
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Ams 1-androsterone -
15-02-2008, 12:23 PM
Ams 1-androsteroneSalve ragazzi qusto sarebbe l' 1AD come quello della ergopharm?? Come agisce? Aumenta molto la ritenzione di liquidi?? Amount Per Serving: 1-androstene-3b-ol, 17-one 100mg Luteolin 3mg Standardized Forskolin 10mg Piperine 2mg Sodium Caprylate 100mg |
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One of Us
Messaggi: 30
Data registrazione: Dec 2006
Età: 43
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15-02-2008, 08:13 PM
Negli USA è considerato una tra i migliori e più "sicuri" PHs. Lo usano solitamente in definizione e abbinato con altri PHs (Nordiol o 4-AD). Ha una buona biodisponibilità orale e quindi non viene utilizzato per via transdermica come con gli altri PHs (Nordiol, 4-AD e 1-test). Eccoti alcune info in ingelse: 1AD (1-androstene-3beta, 17beta-diol) Target Hormone: 1-testosterone Target conversion: (supposedly) very high, because it has a double bond at the 1st carbon and it is a diol version. Conversion enzyme: 3-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (3HSD) DHT conversion: some converting back to DHT through unknown pathway Estrogenic effects: None whatsoever 1-AD is an oral only compound that converts to a different target hormone altogether, namely 1-testosterone. Early data? suggests that 1-testosterone is 700% more anabolic than testosterone. How that translates in real world terms is yet to be determined. From the testimonials (they are limited) I've read the gains are slightly better than those of Nor-diol, so that would be a significant improvement, though not quite as high as the percentage might suggest. There was an initial dione version, but I believe that has been pulled and all 1AD currently available is diol. Again that means no estrogenic conversion prior, but none post-conversion either because 1-test doesn't aromatize. It's a derivative of the androgenic compound DHT, meaning that it has already undergone 5-alpha-reductase and cannot under any circumstances form estrogen. The androgenicity is still very much an issue. It can convert to DHT via a different pathway (I should say convert back) but it's not known to what extent or what effects it has. So far no one has reported any serious side effects in this nature, but neither has there been any rigorous large-scale testing. The jury is still out on what this means to people who are at risk for things like prostate enlargement and hair loss. Since it is extremely androgenic in other ways as well, this is one aspect that will need further digging to get to the bottom of. I fear this may be the weakness of 1AD. Oral activity is a great plus. To date orals are the only form that allow serious stacking and proper use of prohormones (more on that later). On the downside a lot of it doesn't survive the liver which makes us toss away a large amount of money spent on prohormones, because the yield is rather low. 1AD may have solved that problem. In steroids people make things 17-alkalated to survive the liver, but in return this increases liver toxicity severely. But a double bond in the one position (hence the name 1-testosterone) ensures a greater amount surviving without the risk of liver toxicity. Chemically you can liken it to the steroid primobolan, which is the same structurally except for an extra methyl-group but also has the double bond in the one position. It functions much in the same way. Making this perhaps the most potent oral prohormone to date. I would estimate oral activity to be in the neighborhood of 30%. That means even relatively small doses can exert decent effects, which will no doubt make up for its preposterous price. In effects 1-test has been likened more often to Halotestin and trenbolone than Primobolan, qualitatively speaking. I did some research on this and this would mean that most of the gains are lean mass (not huge mass increases, then losing most) making it great to use even when cutting (though obviously the gains will be a lot smaller) and that the amount of water and fat weight is significantly reduced because there is no estrogen effect whatsoever. So blowing up like a balloon is out of the question, which isn't so visually satisfying, but it gets you harder and the gains are for real. That has to count for something. Halotestin is 17-alkalated by the way, so if you go researching don't be frightened by the enormous liver toxicity of Halostestin as I was, since 1AD is not 17-alkalated. There has been some talk of using 1AD as a pre-contest hardener as even users who were dieting and experienced very little gains boasted some impressive physiques nonetheless. The major downsides to 1AD: physiologically the only side-effect reported so far is a loss of libido, to which Patrick Arnold himself replied that it may best be stacked with 4-diol if this worries you (or you have an insatiable girlfriend like me). And some of the testimonials said something about a distended belly, though it went away. |
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RealUncensoredMofo
Messaggi: 408
Data registrazione: Oct 2007
Località: napoli
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15-02-2008, 09:18 PM
ciao 883 ho fatto qualche ricerca questo non è 1AD (1-androstene-3beta, 17beta-diol) ma è il 1-androstene-3b-ol, 17-one Praticamente 1-androsterone e dovrebbe convertirsi come l' 1AD in 1-testosterone non ho trovato studi sulla conversione pero. |
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Banned
Messaggi: 830
Data registrazione: Jan 2007
Età: 44
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15-02-2008, 09:24 PM
oddio non direi proprio tra i migliori e + sicuri... è molto androgeno...e non è nemmeno il massimo come guadagni di massa... |
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