il nuovo test-booster della S.A.N.

[lupin III]

Io non sono un fan della mucuna, ma in uno stack volto ad aumentare il testosterone puo' avere una sua razionalita'.
Quando infatti si cerca di aumentare il testosterone estrogeni e prolattina tendono ad innanzarsi.
Tuttavia stand alone credo che la mucuna sia una bran boiata, in quanto abbassamento eccessivo della prolattina significa fatalmente meno testosterone.
Inoltre alla dopa ci si assuefa presto...

[lupin III]

Originariamente inviato da D. Ace

come va il nuovo bioforge?!

cmq sto ii pct assist colo daa andrebbe alla gnade ma pure questo sta a 50 euro, stanno fuori

Si, 50 euro per due mesi...

[D. Ace]

boh, magari per la dopa alla lunga no. Ma un singolo ciclo + del daa credo che funzionerebbe senza maltrattare troppo la prolattina.
credo.

però i prezzi sono assurdi. Ho mandato una mail al negozio del predatore,chiedendo di inserire in catalogo l'indole-3-carbinolo della now foods...vediamo se lo mettono e a quanto

[greatescape]

mucuna aumenta lh

[lupin III]

Mi pare che gia' ne avessimo parlato...

[lupin III]

Rileggi lo studio che riguarda prolattina e testosterone...

[greatescape]

Mucuna pruriens improves male fertility by its act... [Fertil Steril. 2009] - PubMed result

[lupin III]

Si, e l'estratto a quanto e' standardizzato di L-Dopa?
Hanno misurato la prolattina prima di somministrare la mucuna?
Se fosse stata alta e' verisimile che il testo aumenti...

[greatescape]

ma un bello stack sarebbe un aumento del testo attraverso qualche prodotto, controllo degli estrogeni, cortisolo, prolattina, carnitina tartrato e acido arachidonico .... volendo si potrebbe aggiungere qualcosa come e-bol

chissa potendo fare un mix cosi ....

[lupin III]

Experientia 1984 Jan 15;40(1):88-9

Effects of bromocriptine on plasma testosterone and gonadotropin levels and testicular lipid fractions in adult rats.

Rao MR, Bartke A.

Bromocriptine treatment of adult male rats resulted in a decrease in testicular testosterone (T) content and a reduction in plasma T levels. This was accompanied by increase in testicular total lipids and cholesterol and depletion of testicular phospholipids.



Fertil Steril 1991 Feb;55(2):355-7

Effects of chronic bromocriptine-induced hypoprolactinemia on plasma testosterone responses to human chorionic gonadotropin stimulation in normal men.

Oseko F, Nakano A, Morikawa K, Endo J, Taniguchi A, Usui T.

Department of Medicine, Shimane Medical University, Japan.

To study the role played by normal levels of plasma prolactin (PRL) in the secretion of testosterone (T) in the testes, we induced hypoprolactinemia with a daily dose of 5 mg bromocriptine administered orally in five normal men 20 to 35 years of age for 8 weeks. The basal PRL, T, luteinizing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone, and maximum responses of plasma T to human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) stimulation were measured every 2 weeks.Basal levels of plasma T were reduced in the 1st 2-week-long period of hypoprolactinemia. In the 4-week-long period of hypoprolactinemia, the maximal response of plasma T to hCG stimulation was significantly reduced. The findings suggest that normal levels of plasma PRL may play an important role in the secretion of T in the human testes in vivo.


Andrologia 1990 May-Jun;22(3):251-9

Effect of modulating endogenous prolactin secretion on testosterone production in the adult male bonnet monkey (Macaca radiata).

Rao AJ, Rani CS, Ravindranath N, Moudgal NR.

Department of Biochemistry, Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore.

Adult male bonnet monkeys maintained under regulated light: dark conditions exhibit a nycthemeral surge of testosterone. The present study attempts to determine the effect of administration of drugs that modulate prolactin levels like ergobromocriptine (EBC) and chlorpromazine (CPZ) on testosterone production.The injection of EBC, a known inhibitor of prolactin secretion, could abolish nocturnal testosterone surge irrespective of the drug being given at 8.00 or 17.00 h. Testosterone surge could likewise be inhibited by treating animals with CPZ, a potent stimulator of prolactin secretion. This suggests that alteration in endogenous prolactin level from the normal effects nycthemeral surges of testosterone. The in vivo responsiveness of the testes of monkeys injected either CPZ oder EBC to exogenous LH or LHRH stimulation was tested. While LH could completely override the CPZ induced inhibition in testosterone production it could only partially reverse the EBC effect.



Nippon Naibunpi Gakkai Zasshi 1985 Jun 20;61(6):701-9

The effects of bromocriptine on the pulsatile pattern and the circadian profile of gonadotropins and testosterone secretion in normal adult men

Aisaka K, Ogawa T, Mori H, Kigawa T.

To investigate the effects of bromocriptine on the secretion mechanism of pituitary gonadotropins and testosterone, 5 mg of bromocriptine was administered to five young adult men who were normal in their endocrinological states. Blood samplings were taken from two hours before until six hours after the administration every 15 min., and after that, blood samplings were continued until 21 hours every one hour by an intravenous indwelling catheter. Serum FSH, LH, prolactin and testosterone levels were determined by RIA, and the changes of the pulsatile patterns of FSH and LH, and the circadian profile of these hormones by the administration of bromocriptine were analysed. Serum prolactin levels decreased significantly (p less than 0.005) from two hours after the administration of bromocriptine and remained in a very low range until the end of the experiment. The basal levels of FSH showed a significant decrease from two to six hours after the administration (p less than 0.005). Also the basal levels of LH showed a significant decrease from two to six hours after the administration (p less than 0.005). However, the basal levels of serum FSH and LH did not show significant decreases after that until the end of the experiment. No significant change was observed in the amplitude or the frequency of the pulsatile patterns of FSH and LH until six hours after the administration of bromocriptine. The serum levels of testosterone were also significantly decreased from two to six hours after the administration (p less than 0.005), but they did not show a significant decrease after that until the end of the experiment.

[lupin III]

Questo e' per dire che non corrisponde al vero l'affermazione generica per cui se si abbassa la prolattina si aumenta il testosterone

[lupin III]

In uno stack potrebbe pero' avere senso, fermo restando che basta che la dose sia un po' piu' alta per scassare il tutto.

[D. Ace]

Originariamente inviato da greatescape

ma un bello stack sarebbe un aumento del testo attraverso qualche prodotto, controllo degli estrogeni, cortisolo, prolattina, carnitina tartrato e acido arachidonico .... volendo si potrebbe aggiungere qualcosa come e-bol

chissa potendo fare un mix cosi ....

500 euro alla cassa...

già l'arachidonico da solo fa 120 euro

cmq, ma la mucuna per un ciclo rappresentato da 1 bottle, non dovrebbe essere dannosa , o no?
Lup, sti studi ci vuole coraggio per leggerseli

[greatescape]

ma infatti si parlava di mucuna, che sembrebbe avere questa proprietà

[lupin III]

La mucuna avrebbe queste proprieta' per la dopa che abbassa la prolattina...
Le case produttrici proprio questi dicono, insieme a quell'asino di Lyle McDonald:"abbassate la prolattina cari uomini, dato che non serve ad una ceppa e aumenterete il testosterone!".